Topic: 2 topics in 1--A Question about FF2US Impossible before I get started & .......

[FFIIowner]

Well I beat all of your hardtype hacks. (I even had the 1.0 version that it appears you are not offering any longer) Those were really fun due to the new text changes, etc. I consider them professional hacks. They were pretty challenging, but not enough to really test my limits.

That is why I had great interest in the ff2 impossible hacks. From the replies I've read here though, it appears that NO ONE has tested or beaten your impossible hacks yet? Not even the creator? (As he said, he thinks they are possible to beat)

I figured they definitly were possible, but right now I am at Valvalis. I had little life potions left so I had to leave the Tower of Zot and go get some more. Now, I am back to face Valvalis. This seems like the hardest boss yet (and I also keep my battle mode on active (or fastest) so the enenmies attack constantly, as this ups the challenge even more.  Valvalis may not be possible to beat like this, as she attacks like 4 times per round, before you can get even 1 move in (on active battle)

Never heard of silver apples. I do not intend to cheat at all to beat this hack. I am just playing through normally. I did use the Weak spell on the Dark Elf to defeat him, but that wasn't cheatinmg, as I figured that out on my own long ago when playing the regular version. 

So, in other words, has ANYONE ever beaten the impossible hack WITHOUT any cheating of any kind (including hacking, looking for special info on items, etc) Because this is my goal.

Thanks and I'll let you know my progress and if I get to any bosses thatI can't beat.

PS- I am not a hacker at all, so there is no way I could hack into the game at all (and wouldnyt want to anyways)

[JCE3000GT]

You made it further than me that's for sure.  Of course I didn't play "hardcore" into it like I normally would.  I was mainly testing for difficulty up to a point.  And Silver Apples are named HP Tab+ (as well as there are HP-Tab's and MP-Tabs too)

I'd be curious to see a screenshot of your party on the main status screen.     The best thing to do with Valvalis is to probably concentrate on using Blink and use Berserk on the best fighters. 

[Tristal]

You made it further than me that's for sure.  Of course I didn't play "hardcore" into it like I normally would.  I was mainly testing for difficulty up to a point.  And Silver Apples are named HP Tab+ (as well as there are HP-Tab's and MP-Tabs too)

I'd be curious to see a screenshot of your party on the main status screen.     The best thing to do with Valvalis is to probably concentrate on using Blink and use Berserk on the best fighters. 

I just so happen to have a save state right after Magus sisters.  Pretty sure it's almost exactly like this:


I am kind of confused where the problem is though - Valvalis can't actually damage you outside of Weak if you're doing things right.  Also, where exactly are you getting sources of Blink or Berserk?

[JCE3000GT]

You made it further than me that's for sure.  Of course I didn't play "hardcore" into it like I normally would.  I was mainly testing for difficulty up to a point.  And Silver Apples are named HP Tab+ (as well as there are HP-Tab's and MP-Tabs too)

I'd be curious to see a screenshot of your party on the main status screen.     The best thing to do with Valvalis is to probably concentrate on using Blink and use Berserk on the best fighters. 

I just so happen to have a save state right after Magus sisters.  Pretty sure it's almost exactly like this:


I am kind of confused where the problem is though - Valvalis can't actually damage you outside of Weak if you're doing things right.  Also, where exactly are you getting sources of Blink or Berserk?

I just realized that Rosa hasn't learned them if you don't have her leveled.  Sorry.   

[Deathlike2]

I forget if JCE kept the FF4-type drops from the dolls, since they are the prime source of Blink in the original game.

[JCE3000GT]

Its been so long I forgot WHAT I did for drops.   

[FFIIowner]

I'm sorry I think I posted this in the wrong topic. Let me repost it here-


Quote ""I am kind of confused where the problem is though - Valvalis can't actually damage you outside of Weak if you're doing things right. 

Yes, I was able to beat her once I went and restocked on Cure 2 potions. Those are a must. Without those, Valvalis is impossible. There were no sources of besersk, like Jce3000gt said. So, you do need some cure 2 potions to beat her. Can I ask how far you have gotten? I am playing ver 1.0 (the one where even bosses give no exp) Even if you're playing 3.0 I'm still interested to know how far you've made it. Thanks

Right now I have made it to the battle with Golbez (Where Rydia returns) and after defeating the dolls and Calbrena, the party is pretty weak. Then Shadow destroys nearly the entire party, so once the battle with Golbez started, he killed me immediatly with the Virus spell, then killed Rydia with the Lit 3 spell. There was not even time for me to get one round in, so basically I come to the conclusion that it is impossible to defeart him unless you can have Cecil survive his first attack. That means getting through the battle with Calbrena with full hit points. That is going to be a big challenge in itself. Once I can do that, then I think Goldez willl be possible to beat.

Also I would post my screenshot from right before I fought Valvalis, but It's nearly identical to the one posted here. The only difference was the time played.

If you would like any screenshots from the current progress, let me know.

[JCE3000GT]

I'm sorry I think I posted this in the wrong topic. Let me repost it here-


Quote ""I am kind of confused where the problem is though - Valvalis can't actually damage you outside of Weak if you're doing things right. 

Yes, I was able to beat her once I went and restocked on Cure 2 potions. Those are a must. Without those, Valvalis is impossible. There were no sources of besersk, like Jce3000gt said. So, you do need some cure 2 potions to beat her. Can I ask how far you have gotten? I am playing ver 1.0 (the one where even bosses give no exp) Even if you're playing 3.0 I'm still interested to know how far you've made it. Thanks

Right now I have made it to the battle with Golbez (Where Rydia returns) and after defeating the dolls and Calbrena, the party is pretty weak. Then Shadow destroys nearly the entire party, so once the battle with Golbez started, he killed me immediatly with the Virus spell, then killed Rydia with the Lit 3 spell. There was not even time for me to get one round in, so basically I come to the conclusion that it is impossible to defeart him unless you can have Cecil survive his first attack. That means getting through the battle with Calbrena with full hit points. That is going to be a big challenge in itself. Once I can do that, then I think Goldez willl be possible to beat.

Also I would post my screenshot from right before I fought Valvalis, but It's nearly identical to the one posted here. The only difference was the time played.

If you would like any screenshots from the current progress, let me know.

I would like screenshots of the progress yes as would others I'm sure.  I only played until you got Yang on Mt Hobs.  lol  My fault for not playing it further.  When I have the time and my life gets straightened out I will. 

[Tristal]

I'm playing 1.0.

There is absolutely something you are missing if Valvalis was a problem for you.  You should experiment with what equipment you are wearing and check the status screen.  It's been too long since I played through this, I don't remember if Calbrena or Golbez were problems, but I seriously doubt the latter.  I'm currently up to Dr. Lugae's robot form and find it impossible without Silver Apples.

[FFIIowner]

Like I said before, the only reason Valvalis was a problem was because I didn't have enough Cure 2 potions. So, I went back and bought some. I rode the black chocobo since it wouldnt let me ride the airship (it would automatically goto the tower of zot)
And they did not sell cure 2 potions in Toria, so that is why I needed thw black chocobo. Anyways once I got those potions I was able to beat Valvalis on the first try. So, basically you NEED the cure 2 potions to stand a fighting chance. I noticed your gold was much lower than mine on the status screen, indicating that you either had the cure 2 potions yourself or that you ran away from more battles than me. Since I know she's nearly impossible without the cure 2 potions, I came to the conclusion that you must have been using them. Sorry if you missed all this in my previous post. I thought I explained it.

Well, I look forward to playing a "possible" version of the hack, if it's ever created. If this one is truly impossible, I still like it and I will tell you why-
Imagine Golbez IS impossible, and considering he is in my situation (He attacks before I can do anything) I think it's kinda cool and a new twist on the story, to have cecil get killed by golbez. You could consider this like the dark ending of FF2, that we have never seen before. Sure, it would make the game much shorter, but the ending would be much more cool. We could see Zemus destroy the entire world, and Cecil would never find out that Golbez was his brother.

[Tristal]

Heal potions are much more of a necessity than Cure2 (do you mean Cure3?  My state has 53 Cure3 potions, I have zero Cure2s.).

I just beat Valvalis without healing once, just to prove it could be done.

Where exactly are you buying Cure2s, anyway?  It's been a while since I've played through this...

There is, in fact, a source of Berserk.  Check your items carefully.  Not that this is likely to be relevant (Unless, of course, Dr. Lugae isn't immune to Berserk... hmm!)

If the Calbrena are even capable of damaging you, you aren't doing it right.  I know this is beginning to sound cocky, but it's clear there's a big trick you're missing, and I don't want to outright spoil it.

Killed Golbez without healing, too.   Here's a screenshot hint for you to know what you're looking for.

[JCE3000GT]

This is insteresting...can you actually beat the game then?   

[Tristal]

Lugae's pattern is something like:
Poison-All (Only once, irrelevant)
Beam (Minimal damage)
Laser (Instant kill damage)
Emission (1 damage)
Heal-All
The pattern then repeats beginning at Beam.  He also counters all damaging attacks with Gas, which is Sleep at around a 33% hit rate.
Since Laser is the only attack you care about, you could easily win the battle with a way to cast Life, unfortunately, Life potions do not work in battle.

Sadly, I haven't found any method that works on Lugae's second form.  It may be possible under TAS conditions - there is a list of features that if I figured out how to do them, it'd make the battle passable.

The list would be something like:
-Defend against Laser (doubt this is possible)
-Find a method of casting Life in battle
-Find a speed combination that allows Kain to be in the air every time Laser is used
-Find a crippling status that will stick (Berserk would likely work, as would anything that could stop Laser's use along the lines of Dark or Mute, if those work.  Stone doesn't seem to stick.)
-Make Yang not 100% useless other than as a meat shield

I also don't know how many HP he's got, so if I had a better roadmap of how close I am getting currently, then I'd know just how much further I'd have to push it.

[FFIIowner]

Well I don't know where to starr, but I'll try to adress all points-

First, don't worry about sounding cocky. I am cocky too. If you are the best, then you deserve bragging rights. I have some major accomplishments in RPG's. My goal is to beat every SNES and NES RPG ever created, including the japanese games. I defeated Omega playing FFV in all Jap so that was probably the biggest challenge I've ever faced for a single boss alone. I asked around for other super tough bosses, and I was told to try the Egg Dragon from Lufia 2......WHAT A JOKE!! I beat him on Lv 49 on my 2nd shot. He was no harder than a regular tough boss. That is the way all regular bosses should be (or even harder) He definitly did not cut it as a super boss, but lufia 2 was such a pathetically easy game anyways, I wasnt suprised.
FF2 is even easier, but if you try to beat the game without equipping any weapons, you'll see a tough challenge.  OK. so now that I am done bragging, let me continue on here.

You say there is a source of berserk. Maybe there is, but not with my party. There might be some kind of secret or weapon or armor I am missing. I don't know. I just played through the game normally (I have NEVER cheated on this game nor have I ever read an FAQ...maybe I should because I have only discovered a few hidden areas in the game personally on my own. I don't think there are too many more, so I think I have just about mastered the game, but I dont have a source of beserk. Can I ask where you got it? I don't need it, but just curious. I never once used berserk to beat the game, but now we are playing an "impossible" version so it may be nessecary at some point. Since nobody can learn spells, it makes the game much tougher. So, far it's been a walk in the park (except for Valvalis, but like I said she was not hard with the cure 2 potions) so it's kinda sad that this game is that easy that you can beat it at level 1.

Now I am in a battle that is literlly impossible. There is no way to win because I cannot attack fast enough and I do not have any source of FAST. I am stuck in the underworld with limited options.  The only way to win with what I have would be to survive the battle with the dolls, and they are the first tough battle of the game, so it is hard to survive it with enough hit points to withstand Golbez's attack.

About using a life spell in battle.....why would you need it? You should have plenrty of LIFE potions in your inventory. And then you mentioned you have plenrty of Cure 3 potions.  Can I ask where you got them all? They are not widely available, and it seems that you must of cheated if you have that many of them. Either way, since the party has low HP, why would you need them? Cure 2 potions have worked fine for me so far....

Quote ""Where exactly are you buying Cure2s, anyway?  It's been a while since I've played through this...""

I don't remember which town I got them in. I think mysidia. But I am sure there are plenty of towns in the game which sell them. Now cure 3 potions, I don't remember them being widely available. Please let me know how you got so many of them.

Quote ""If the Calbrena are even capable of damaging you, you aren't doing it right.  I know this is beginning to sound cocky, but it's clear there's a big trick you're missing, and I don't want to outright spoil it.""

Is it a cheat technique? If so, I am not interested. I like beating my games with no cheating at all. No FAQ's, etc. If you discover a secret on your own, then that's fine, but I like beating my games (especially hard type hacks) fair in square, or they would be pointless for me to play. Also remember that I use active battle which makes the enenmies attack you faster. The dolls are tough, because they attack so often and it's hard to beat them and still have a lot of energy left, but I am sure I can do it. I have only attempted to fight them twice now. I won the first battle and lost the second. So, they are no walk in the park for me. Maybe I am missing something, but when I get to Golbez, he attacks before I can get in any move, so he kills me instantly in one hit.


Quote ""Killed Golbez without healing, too.   Here's a screenshot hint for you to know what you're looking for.""

What am I looking for? To have Cecil over 300 HP? If so, that what I figured myself...I just need to be able to beat the dolls and still have over 300 hp, and that is the hard part. I am not immune to them like you are......Also if you like challenges, why not just beat the dolls with NO immunity? They will give you a decent challenge as they already killed me once and I don't usually die on any bosses in a regular RPG.


PS- I also beat Valvalis without healing. You dont need heal potions to win, you need CURE 2 potions to beat her. If you don't, then I'd like to know your method. Where do you get your source of beserk at that point in the game?? I checked all my items and I do not have any source of it what so ever. I even cleaned out the castle of Eblan, to get the treasures there (But I couldnt beat the Mad Ogres, I don't think...but all they give you is the Slumber sword I believe) Sorry if anything here is inaccurate. I have a horrible memory, so even playing through the game 50 or more times, I still dont remember every little thing from it. Just about though. lol

[FFIIowner]

Well I just went and tried to beat the dolls again. My dumbass didnt even realize that Rosa had the SLOW spell, so I was not using that at all. Maybe that would of made Valvalis easier. Either way the dolls are definitly easier when you cast SLOW on them. I guess the goal is to be able to beat them before they turn into Calbrena, because Calbrena kills every member in the party in 1 hit, with the exception of Cecil sometimes.

So, this is why it's tough to survive her and keep your party healthy, but now with the SLOW spell they are much easier. So, I look forward to facing Lague, and If I am able to beat him I will share the secret here. I have plenty of life potions but if he kills every member in 1 hit, I dont see why those would matter anyways. Maybe Cast slow then jump with Kain? Who knows. I havent made it that far yet. Also a secret could be to put certain members in the front or back of your party..